838 2 compression driver

I realize that the horn that you mate your compression driver with is about as important as the driver itself. It occurs to me that since horns are generally made to produce good sound at db, that they are in a way over-engineered for reproducing sound at say 80db in a home.

It would be nice to use a watt Class-A amp and be able to listen to loud music without a problem. This combo is cheap and x-over at 2. If I find them a good combo I will report back. Magnetar seemed to like the DE10 very much. Daveis said:. Click to expand In my friends Klipsch, the part I like is the kz horn part. Above 4khz, I think I like my Scanspeak better. What are the good hz on up horns out there?

Hi One of the best affordable comp. This is what Dr. Edgar is using in his Titan horns. Also Altec series is reportedly good sounding and cheaper than JBL. Used TAD's and are well within your price range.

There are quite a few horn makers nowadays and you probably want tractrix round mid-horn. Some German company is selling composite horns on E-bay for decent price. Regards, L. Brett Member. Done well, it's very, very good. For 18Sound suggestions, I'll get back to you.

I have some ND and am going to get some later. Something else not to forget are the Altecs, either the old ones, or new GPA manufacture. Also , Your best bet is 4-way for least compromise. Personally, I'd avoid full range horns lowther like in big front horn or coax compression drivers as inherently flawed "by design" ,they still may sound better than your ScanSpeak though. You may look at Avantgarde or Cesarro horns for inspiration. These are good design lines to follow.

I admit that although I got into horns just recently they are simply different audio reality than any other speaker to me there are not many paths to get the horn system right , actually I'd risk thesis that there IMHO is only one configuration that really works and it is Avantgarde trio, Cesarro Gamma and Edgar Titan like application.

All are variation on the same theme -separate bass , Mid- bass horn , mid horn , tweeter. I found the other to be only wishful thinking or seriously compromised solution. Is this based upon your actual experience, or hypothesising? Brett said:. In a cone system, you tend to minimize center-to-center spacing of drivers. Is this as much in issue in multi-horn systems? Also, do any of the principals of acoustic suspension apply?

Is there any reason to build a box back to capture the back wave? Is there much sound emanating from the backside of the horn anways? Hypothesising based on "old fashioned " theory that proper horn is octave device and everything else is flawed "by design". It may sound OK but it is not horn. Bret I know that you know much more about horns than me so why do you ask Azura , Oris like "horns" horn load the driver only in a narrow band maybe K the rest of it is a direct radiator compromised by horn mouths.

Try to match a tweeter for such a huge horn and time align it. What is correct size of horn for coax compression driver?

All I saw are Hz huge horns. My ignorant answer would be why tweeters in midbass horns under perform? I love tannoys and won't say a bad word about them. I would suggest the OP to try to listen a few horn systems it may not be his cup after all. People are very opinionated on this subject and he has to evaluate himself the way and solutions. Some love altecs and some say they are tonally dead and all modern compression drivers are for Hip-hop clients.

Go figure. Bret I don't think I know enough to debate you on the subject. I tried "full range" horns and I know they are not for me. Robh Member. Are you looking at a 2 way, 3 way or 4 way system?? That is going to influence what your "best" horn will be as well as the compression driver.

I would stick to a 1" driver for a couple of reasons. It keeps the horns small and you proabably will be able to live without a tweeter.

I'm curious about peoples' experiences comparing various drivers first hand -- I'm all over the map with regards to which driver to use -- TAD 1. The other considerations are older Altecs like the s or s if a three way which can be crossed to around hz. Does anyone have experience with these drivers, new or old, or others? Which do you prefer and in what sort of implementation? Part of me would like to start with something older like an Altec driver as I find vintage pro audio gear to be excellent and see that people often tend to prefer these vintage designs to more contemporary -- high tech drivers for one reason or another.

Any suggestions are much appreciated. Last edited: Oct 16, Wombat Master Contributor. JBL H 'baby butt cheek' horn tweeters are fairly easy to find. Make sure they have genuine JBL diaphragms. This forum may be of interest. It is focused on practicality and is very supportive of newbies and DIY horn projects but not of time-wasters.

Last edited: Oct 15, I appreciate the suggestions with regards to Altec drivers. Part of the benefit of a compression driver -- along with increased detail and reduced distortion in the midrange -- is a larger sound, compared to an anemic 4" full range driver at the other end of the spectrum for example.

While it in no way serves it's intended purpose in home use, I think there is merit, in the case of a music addicted person like myself, in using a 2" throat driver even for home audio. I owned a pair of JBL s long ago with baby butt cheek horns.

I didn't like that speaker one bit -- in fact my least favorite speaker I've ever owned. I'm trying to avoid that effect whatever it was which I would describe as nasal congestion -- veiled versus some horn speakers like a TAD two way which is supposedly clear as day.

I'm seeking clarity more than anything else when building with compression drivers. I don't care for horn flavor or coloration or anything like that. It was a pair of 12" Tannoy silvers which I heard earlier this year that piqued my interest. I've always had a fondness for panel speakers. A cheap pair of Stax headphones is still the most superior transducer in my listening experience. I'm attracted to the simplicity of a cone speaker compared to large panels.

I'm curious whether better directivity, and the right horn compression driver combo can yield equal or better sound than a panel. Click to expand Joined Sep 24, Messages Likes I have heard horns I love, but after then going back to a normal mid or tweeter, start to prefer the cone or dome speaker. But then I start reminiscing about the horn sound and go back. Could this just be wanting what we do not have and then losing interest? Joined Jun 19, Messages 6, Likes 9, And what are you hoping to achieve by using horns e.

MMV, that I agree with. More often than not I find that hifi, public address and some pro audio horn implementations have this issue. I'm trying to go as compact as possible but don't have an initial dimension or enclosure in mind. I have plenty of space and also intend to experiment with open baffle implementations which I consider to be superior if there's enough distance between the rear wall and the speaker.

What I would like to achieve -- low distortion first and foremost, controlled directivity probably equal, and high spls not a priority but a nice bonus knowing that it's even at high volumes the speakers will remain composed -- unlike many panels, full range drivers, and many audiophile speaker implementations. I don't know too much about the variety of directivity patterns and their different benefits. I'm of the belief that a figure eight dispersion pattern -- dipoles like the Linkwitz lx, and panel speakers, have benefits over cardioid response basic box speakers.

I think this is also the motivation behind the Kii 3, though achieved through active cancellation of a very different sort. These are the plots for what I presume to be pretty ideal directivity -- Genelec SA. If I can approach something like this I figure I'm doing well:.

Some of the contemporary coaxial speakers I've been looking at seem to have excellent directivity specs inherently. In addition, Faital Pro drivers, especially those with ketone polymer diaphragms, seem to measure substantially better than competitor products.

The Gainphile, Gedlee, etc. Seems like an interesting and simple design. I have no experience with those Seas drivers though people seem to like them. Yes that's obvious about the compression driver not being suited for dipole dispersion. Here's an interesting note about electrostatic directivity:. Here's an interesting note about electrostatic directivity: View attachment In the case of compression drivers it's my understanding that driver material makes all the difference -- with regards to reducing audible distortion.

I spoke with a guy who at the time was developing a carbon composite dome for compression drivers called Textreme at an AES show in California a year or so ago -- now available to purchase in some Eminence CDs.

He was adamant that driver material matters a lot. I am too. It seems the Italian Faital Pro, if honest in their representation of the data, performs better even than the 'bleeding edge' Textreme domes found in those Eminence drivers.